More on the Ray-Renton Spat

Following the unrest in Birmingham on Saturday, Paul Ray has published a second diatribe (see here for the first) against Chris Renton, the BNP-linked activist who set up the English Defence League website. However, Ray complains not that Renton’s BNP connection makes the EDL look bad; rather, that Renton makes the BNP look bad:

Do high level BNP politicians, such as the two who are now in Europe, want their credibility damaged in the eyes of the electorate by links to football hooligans and riots on the streets of Britain because of the likes of Chris Renton?

It is people like Chris Renton who damage not only the street movement that aims to be a neutral voice for the silent majority within Britain, but also the BNP that is becoming a modern, respectable alternative to the Establishment in Westminster.

Is he an agent of the Left trying to blacken the BNP name?

Ray takes the view that Nick Griffin has perhaps, like Saint Paul, turned to Christ, based on his “stance on Christianity, and his seasoned re-evaluated view on Israel and the Jews”, but that Renton is an “imposter” who has “hijacked” the English Defence League name:

Him, standing in front of a placard saying we are not BNP is laughable. The Luton EDL division who created the placards are not BNP, because they have people of all colours and races amongst their ranks. They have been forced into defending this position out in the open when they should be attacking the Islamic militants because of Chris Renton but none of them decided to take the action necessary.

Ray also shares some screenshots of email correspondence with Renton. In these emails, Renton mocks Ray’s complaint about the use of the Templar cross design for EDL placards. According to Ray,

It is a Templar Cross, and Templars are Christians, who live and die for their faith, nothing else. It isnt something that just anybody can wear.

I hope that in time the leaders who are rising will embrace the cross.

For now i think the design has to be just the St Georges cross, and not the Templar cross.

Renton’s response:

like everyone keeps saying, one man band, people dont wanna hear this religious shite from a keyboard warrior they want action, protests, thats what we ae doing, you can write as much bnp bullshit as u want but its all lies and you will be found out! you fucked off [Chris] goodge the first minute you spoke to him, you ruined your relationship with [Jeff Marsh], you ruined your relationship with me and my bro, you destroyed your relationship with luton now as well, oh but no hang on its us not you LOL yeah right


…i reckon you ought to see a soctor mate your obviously nuts…

EDL 8 Aug 2009 1

11 Responses

  1. […] a man whom he strongly implies is Renton (it was embedded on his blog here, then removed; see also here); this same man appears in the screenshot below from yesterday. Renton is, or was, a BNP […]

  2. I dislike the idea that there’s no smoke without fire, but when you have to carry a placard saying that you are neither the BNP nor racist, it would suggest that there is at least kindling.


  3. I see Mr Ray is now defending the name of the BNP is this because it is one of the few groups he has not tried to use then drop. Cant be many more left?
    You can not trust a word Ray says.
    Remember his comment in the Dail Mail atricle. Where he said we where very good friends? The latest Email i have shows that he lied also he is deluded.
    Hi Dave,

    I just wanted to let you know that i do not want to continue fighting with you over sillyness.

    I have had a tough couple of years fighting my arrest, and fighting with the moslems, and that has influenced me in other areas which includes now infighting with you.

    My apologies.

    We have both offended each other, and hopefully we can both talk about these things to clear the air the next time we meet.

    My greatest belief is that if you cannot fall out with friends and make up then they were not friends in the first place. I know we do not know each other but our aims and goals are the same which is why i have wanted to help over the past year or so.

    Anyway, i look forward to hearing your thoughts here.

    Speak soon

    God bless

    His aims are not the same as mine or MfE. I have not and will not attack a person on there choise of religion.

  4. […] organisations known for violence. However, Greger is perhaps a natural soul-mate for Ray; while Ray has been mocked by EDL activists such as Chris Renton for his “religious shite”, Greger by contrast has […]

  5. […] Defence League earlier this year but who appears to be semi-detached from the organisation now, following a dispute with other members. Just after the Sun story was published, Ray and Jenvey were due to appear on an […]

  6. […] his use of the word “Paki”; Ray went on to found of the EDL, although he has since been marginalised. Both Ray and the “Cheerleaders” have also had contacts with Glen […]

  7. […] However, Ray’s “English Defence League – St George’s Division” has been disavowed by the “mainstream” EDL, and he apparently now lives in Malta. Adair, meanwhile, now […]

  8. […] Back in October, I blogged on a feud between three former Defence League activists: Alan Lake, Lena Andreassen, and Paul Ray. Lake has accused Andreassen of giving his real name to a journalist, and Lake and Ray have accused each other of influencing Anders Behring Breivik. Ray has also used his blog to publicise Lake’s real name – Alan Ayling – and to give alleged details of early English Defence League planning meetings which were held in Lake’s flat in London. Ray was one of the founders of the EDL in 2009, but he was quickly sidelined. […]

  9. […] During 2009 he became involved in the founding of the English Defence League, although he was quickly sidelined. Wide press attention came last year (including a front-page article in the Times), following the […]

  10. […] hooligans into anti-Islam protests in Luton back in April 2009, although by the following August he had been sidelined as the EDL began to establish a coherently branded presence. As noted above, Alan Ayling (then […]

  11. […] » Paul Ray Sued by Alan Ayling in Malta Bartholomew’s Notes on Religion on More on the Ray-Renton Spat […]

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