BNP Link to English Defence League Website

Various sites have noted that the “English Defence League” – which I have blogged on a couple of times lately – has as its web designer a certain Chris Renton, who has been listed as a BNP member. According to the Stirrer:

In an interview with Stirrer editor Adrian Goldberg on Talksport last night, spokesman Paul Ray also admitted their links with the BNP…When EDL spokesman Ray was quizzed about this, he acknowledged Renton’s involvement, but insisted, “people’s political views are their own affair.”

This has been reposted on Ray’s Lionheart blog, and he does not dispute the quote. A screenshot of the BNP website also appeared in a video montage Ray created as an advert for last Saturday’s protest in Birmingham (see here at 2:45).

Ray has expressed qualified enthusiasm for the BNP a number of times on his blog, and this was the main reason why American conservatives ditched him last year after initially offering support over his arrest for incitement. Ray takes the view  that, under guidance from God, the party will move beyond its racism:

I did see Nick Griffins Easter message and thought it was very very good and inspirational.

It seems that they are the only ones willing to defend and uphold Christianity in this country, as for me i will trust in God to bring about the changes within them to make them the people He wants them to be. As you know there is nothing impossible with Him, and you should not judge these people who God is doing a work with and through.

Perhaps he actually believes this – he wouldn’t be the first person to think that the BNP can be redirected to some other purpose, and various right-libertarians have attempted the same thing over the years (alas, UK libel law prevents free discussion on this point). However, Ray also rails against “Paki Muslims” on American radio, which is not an adjective he chooses to uses on his blog. And BNP Christianity – as represented by the Rev Robert West – specifically teaches that the “mixing of races” is sinful because God has ordained different “physical, intellectual and character” traits to various groups.

Meanwhile, a group such as EDL certainly fits with the BNP’s long-term strategy – in 2000 Nick Griffin was invited by KKK leader David Duke to speak to some American racists, and he advised that

…Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle we’ve got ourselves in a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say, “Yes, every last one must go.” Perhaps they will one day, but if you offer that as your sole aim to start with, you’re gonna get absolutely nowhere. So, instead of talking about racial purity, we talk about identity.

Griffin has also explained his move away from anti-Jewish conspiracy-mongering to attacking Muslims as being because:

The proper enemy to any political movement isn’t necessarily the most evil and the worst. The proper enemy is the one we can most easily defeat.

(Hat tip to a reader)

27 Responses

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  2. The Centre for Social Cohesion has just released a report on internet activities of BNP members:

    http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/files/1247504941_1.pdf

    Makes very disturbing reading!

    • You must be easily disturbed then!

    • Mostly propaganda used to stir up feeling so the state can get people to do its dirty work, the old ‘useful idiots’ idiom springs to mind. You could do a write up like this on any political party especially ultra left wing Labour containing so many crazy confirmed communists.

  3. […] not told what that “interest” means in practical terms, although Renton helped Ray to set up a website.  Searchlight tells us that some National Front characters took part in the protest in Luton on 13 […]

  4. English Defence League meant to be planning to march again through centre of Birmingham next Saturday, 8th August:
    plenty of antifas waiting for them
    they won’t be doing anything!

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  6. With regards to the planned protest in Birmingham on Saturday 8th August, please view the following video to see how West Midlands Police plan to operate on the day. http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/pctv/cat.asp?vid=104&cat=11

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  8. FUK THE BNP!!!!!!!!!!

    • may i just point out this little piece of fact amongst your totaly inacurate linking of the BNP to the english defence league
      In his official statement, Mr Butler {national organiser of said BNP}said the proscription of the EDL meant that it “will be a disciplinary offence for British National Party members to associate or participate in any event or activity organised by the English Defence League or hold membership of the English Defence League.
      so at least get your facts strait before you rabidly attack
      oh yes and KING>>>……..VERY ELOQUENT is that as far as your education goes ?….hmmm

      • The announcement was made only a couple of days ago – my post was written two months ago.

        And besides, the announcement actually shows that the BNP is worried about their members joining the EDL – they wouldn’t bother with a “prosciption” if there wasn’t some overlap of interest.

  9. […] English Defence League is a shady group, which tried to distance itself from BNP in public, yet has links to the far-right group. The march had been planned for some time, and it seems that the people […]

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  11. […] a second diatribe (see here for the first) against Chris Renton, the BNP-linked activist who set up the English Defence League website. However, Ray complains not that Renton’s BNP connection […]

  12. See what Guardian readers think of you.

    Most of them are sneery left wing tossers

    http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@857.5FY9g1992oe@.77610a3e/0

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  17. stop islam before it swallows europe…wake up christians…do you want london to be the next istanbul??londonbul for instance??act now and rescue christianity…

  18. Whilst the BNP achieve a political solution it is equally important to stand up to reds and muslims on the street. They must be made to realise the true people of this country will not be intimidated and have had enough. The EDL are nothing to do with the BNP but more power to them.

  19. […] this seems to be something of an escalation for Ray, who has now gone from flirting with the BNP (he opines that God is moving Nick Griffin and the party towards a non-racialist nationalism) and fantasising […]

  20. Hi , I am not sure if I am writing to the correct person but I do not know any leaders of the EDL.
    I have been banned from posting, temporarily , it seems that I offended some people.
    This is and this is not what I am writing to you about.

    You see when the muslims perceive a threat , and the EDL is the first real threat that they have encountered
    since they started their campaign to take over theses islands, then they infiltrate it from the very start with the aim of either
    destroying it or making it totally inefective.
    One of the first things that they do is infiltrate the forum or any other speaking platform.
    They will pose just like us, worried about the Islamic threat to our democracies etc but
    examination of their posts reveals their true agenda.
    Its happening now on your EDL forum. They usually work in 2s or 3s as the sheep instinct
    of people is truely remarkable and they just hate going against the flow of the crowd (the 3 plants on the forum).
    Please check it out for yourself.
    There is a poster called NEmisis now a large quantity of his posts are about mopderate muslims
    – justifying their existence – how we can work with them etc etc etc etc.
    Now you may agree or not about the existence of moderate muslims but I think you will agree
    with me that spending so much time on the one subject when there are lots others can only be
    planned PROPOGANDA to influence the general view of Muslims.
    He has a couple of
    sidekicks that back him up to the hilt and he has been quite successful – I was his most
    virulent challenger which bothered him somewhat.

    So now you can check it out for yourself.
    1.Go back over his old posts and make your own mind up if he is a plant or just an idiot
    – please do not underestimated the Muzlims – that has always bween their greatest advantage.
    2.if you think I am paranoid freak then adious and good luck with the EDL it really is the
    first grass roots anti-islam group in britain’

    3. If you agree with me you should make a secret group within EDL with a few people you
    can trust and know their history.

    4Do not get rid of the plants -try to find out as much info from, them beforte they have to go
    – you shopuld be aiming to find out who is pulling the strings – you mighht just be
    surprtiosed who and how powefulrfulthese peopope are.

    There is a great game of poker beiing played at the moment and very few are even aware of it

    regards

  21. […] just as the UAF denounces the EDL of having semi-hidden far-right links (a subject I have also written on), so the EDL will point to the UAF’s far-left links, as a matter of tit-for-tat. There are […]

  22. I totally agree, we need a response. If in their country, we would be in big shit. Why are we the only do gooders. Our soldirs die and we send aid? Why ask for aid when we should help the injured and famillies of the dead.

  23. Fuck the poppies, that’s is what makes morphine. If all drugs legal , then no crimminals and no need to steal. If they want to o d then let them, we can make tax and give them a better deal. At least then ,if they want to clean up, the money is available.

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