Campaigner on Hollie Greig and Satanic Ritual Abuse Confirms “Regular Contact” with Wiltshire Police’s Mike Veale

Last Sunday, the Sunday Times revealed that the Chief Constable of Wiltshire Police, Mike Veale, has been in contact with one Robert Green about allegations of child sex abuse against former Prime Minister Edward Heath:

Mike Veale… emailed Robert Green, of Warrington, two weeks ago in response to an email Green had sent him. Veale wrote: “As ever thank you Robert.”

The words suggest the pair had communicated previously and will cast fresh doubt on the evidence that Veale’s force has gathered.

…Green is an activist closely involved with fraudulence [sic] allegations in Scotland in the so-called Hollie Greig case, in which claims that a girl with Down’s syndrome had been abused were found to be false. He was jailed for 12 months in 2012 for harassment.

I quoted this section a few days ago, as part of a more general discussion of recent coverage about “Operation Conifer”. Green’s campaign and conviction were covered by the Sunday Herald at the time.

Although the ST did not go into detail, Veale was thanking Green for an email in which he expressed his glee at the Mail on Sunday‘s front-page splash (discussed by me here) about how Operation Conifer’s findings were to be passed on to the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse. Green’s email and Veale’s reply were published on a Hollie Greig conspiracy website (1).

Green has now responded to the ST article, complaining that it has “defamed” him and stating that he expects “both clarification and suitable retractions to appear in the next edition of the Sunday Times”. However, he has also confirmed that he has been in “regular contact” with Veale, and although he has declined to go into specific details he has indicated that he believes claims of Satanic Ritual Abuse against Heath.

Green’s responses appear in an email to the ST‘s James Gillispie which has now been published on David Icke’s website (oddly, the post is dated 26 May 2017, but it definitely refers to the ST‘s 24 September article [2]), and in an interview given to Richie Allen, whose online radio show is produced in association with Icke (the “regular contact” detail is at 8.42) . Green writes:

The information that I forwarded to Chief Constable Veale was not researched by me at all, but I was merely relaying matters pertinent to the investigation produced by an expert of impeccable reputation, which, I’m sure you will agree, changes the whole perspective of the article. I have never had any contact with any of those who have complained about Sir Edward.

Speaking to Allen, he provided the detail that this person is someone who is “perhaps a little old and frail and can’t deal with these things as well as she might have done”.

Green seems to genuinely believe that his unverifiable assertion about someone he refuses to name and who for some unknown reason is unable to contact Veale for herself “completely undermines the thrust” of the article – despite his conviction and continuing obsession with the Greig allegations.

Allen went on to refer to allegations against Heath that were reported by David Icke in 1998, and then raised the subject of  why the media discounts “ritual abuse by Heath or others”. Green confirmed his belief in Satanic Ritual Abuse, and stated that sceptics are “SRA enablers” who “try to protect” perpetrators (naming Barbara Hewson in particular) (3). This would tend to support Richard Hoskins’s claim that the SRA claims are not just an outlier but the “core strand” of the Heath investigation.

Greens’s email to Gillespie has also been highlighted on Icke’s Twitter feed, in a Tweet stating that “The Sunday Times seeking to undermine Edward Heath investigation by misrepresenting abuse campaigner Robert Green”. There is also a graphic posted with the Tweet, bearing the following words:

Prime Minister Edward Heath was a monumental paedophile and a child sacrificing Satanist. I said it in The Biggest Secret in 1998 – made known to him in the week of publication – and I stand by that today

One of Icke’s informants in that opus also claimed that she saw Heath shape-shift into a giant reptile, while Icke himself has famously claimed that he saw Heath’s eyes go completely black on one occasion.


(1) Green wrote to Veale:

I was generally pleased to see the lead article in today’s Mail on Sunday and the message of support for you and your team by Andrew Bridgen MP, to whom I have just written.

It would have been even more helpful had readers been reminded of the crucial Tim Fortescue interview, about which I have correspondence with Editor-in-Chief Paul Dacre.

In itself, this would have the effect of quietening those who have tried to undermine and threaten you. Hopefully, it worked with James Gray, although the House of Lords have so far refused to discipline Lord Armstrong.

It will be interesting to see if the Daily Telegraph decides to publish my letter on this particular issue.

Fortescue (who died in 2008) was a party whip under Edward Heath; in a 1995 TV interview he stated that whips would try to assist MP involved in scandals, because “if we can get a chap out of trouble, then he will do as we ask for ever more”. He gave as possible examples “debt” or a “scandal involving small boys”. This has been since been cited as evidence that MPs were able to engage in sex abuse with impunity, and thus in support of the most extravagant allegations.

James Gray MP and Lord Armstrong have both been critical of the police investigation. Armstrong has expressed the view that the investigation should be reviewed by a judge-led inquiry.

(2) The email was published on Icke’s site by Andrew Cheetham. It seems that Green forwarded it to a supporter named Julie Hills, who in turn forwarded it to her local MP along with her own endorsement.

(3) It is perhaps worth noting that the Greig case has come to be framed in SRA terms, as I discussed here.

17 Responses

  1. Does Julie Hills of Woking actually exist? For that matter, what proof is there that Julie Hills of Woking actually did send that latter to the MP?

    Anyone can type a letter and publish it, without actually sending it anywhere.Considering the parties involved, it’s best to take nothing at face value.

  2. Mistake in first para. “Mike Veale has been in contact with one Mike Veale…”

  3. Barrister Barbara Hewson’s writings on SRA and the false allegations “industry” are spot on and legally correct. But there is a problem: she publishes now only on the bizarre “Libertarian” website Spiked but her twitter feed is an endless support for the extreme far-right including loathsome characters like that Milo (who seems to be auditioning as the new “Fuhrer’ for a Hitler Youth type of get-up) Marine le Pen and anyone to the extreme right of Attlia the Hun. She endlessly quotes repulsive websites like Brieibart as reliable sources along with applauding demeaning comments about refugees and anyone deemed not “British”.
    Sometimes advocates for justice can undermine a battle. How she can possibly be so knowledgeable about what seems to be almost a thriving business of false allegations accompanied by a compensation culture but then also promote websites and extremists who are determined to undermine democracy and promote complete falsehoods and “fake news” on an organised scale is a mystery.

  4. I don’t know who Eric is but his claim that I “publish” only on Spiked is incorrect. I have written, and continue to write for a range of publications. I do not blog. As for my personal Twitter account, anyone who looks at it can see that I have a diverse output reflecting a broad range of interests. I see I RTd a few recent pieces in Breitbart interviewing Google employees following James’ Damore’s departure from Google, and a piece on the disappearance of Godfrey Elfwick from Twitter – both concerned free speech issues. To say that my twitter feed is an endless support for the far-right is complete nonsense. I do tweet about matters pertaining to the Islamic insurgency and ISIS, but to suggest that anyone concerned about that is extreme far right is absurd.

    • You often tweet very complimentary references to the revolting Nazi Milo and you are either kidding yourself or readers that your links to atrocious “free speech’ killing websites like Breitbart are innocent re-tweets when their take on subjects like Damore’s correct booting from Google for breaching his work contract are fraudulent attempts to claim every event is an attack on “free speech”. That;s an endless mantra by Spiked which you seem oddly favourable towards even though you prefer to ignore that Spiked (it should be) is funded by the extreme right wing Australian “think tank” the IPA which is turn is funded by a variety of right wing billionaires like Rupert Murdoch who have done more to shut down free speech than any other in our lifetime.
      Why you do not embrace your obvious right-wing attitudes is just weird. I reckon you are the Katie Hopkins of the Bar.

  5. Well, no-one can accuse those of us with an interest in false allegations of all singing from the same song-sheet, anyway.

    Maybe it would be more useful to focus on shared concerns rather than rake over irreconcilable differences? At least, that’s what I would rather see here.

  6. why dont you phone Robert Green

    Here is his nr and get the FACTS ]


    here is a letter from him today


    Now that Chief Constable Mike Veale has published his report on Operation Conifer, with his customary display of dignity, professionalism and clarity, it may be an appropriate time for me to disclose some details of my limited involvement in the investigation.

    As readers may be aware, the Chief Constable and I were recently subjected to a nasty, poorly-researched  and inaccurate attack by the Heath-supporting Sunday Times. It included a cowardly and baseless smear against the evidence of Hollie Greig, undeniably a brave victim of multiple sexual abuse.

    Despite being furnished with all the independent expert and police evidence fully supporting Hollie.the SIt was thus gutter journalism of the lowest kind.

    I suspected that I was included in the attack, which was primarily aimed at undermining the gallant Chief Constable, because of the quality of the evidence that I had been able to relay to him, during the course of our correspondence.

    This is how it all came about.

    Over seven years ago, following the publicity surrounding the unlawful arrest and imprisonment I suffered in Aberdeen over Hollie`s case, I was invited to meet Dr Joan Coleman, a specialist in the field of child and ritual sexual abuse of impeccable reputation. Amongst other details, including some relating to Jimmy Savile and Cyril Smith, she offered some evidence about Sir Edward Heath. Although I was naturally not party to any depth of information, I did learn that evidence against Sir Edward had been provided by no fewer than five witnesses, all of them totally independent of each other.

    I can say that due to the consistency of aspects of the content of the various statements, it would be impossible to deny that such evidence must be wholly credible.

    Now, here in October 2017, it is interesting to recall that had I not been snatched from an Aberdeen street in February 2010, it is possible to imagine that such valuable evidence would never have seen the light of day.

    In the meantime, I do ask readers to continue their support for Chief Constable Mike Veale and his team, who will have done much to restore public confidence in the police`s determination to investigate serious allegations of sexual crimes against children, without fear or favour.

    Robert Green

    • Robert Green allegedly quoted in a letter as stating: “I was invited to meet Dr Joan Coleman, a specialist in the field of child and ritual sexual abuse of impeccable reputation”.

      How unfortunate for you, Mr. Green, that you should have encountered & conversed with Joan Coleman – who is a specialist only on the dissemination of baseless, slanderous rumors, ignorant misinformation, fantasy and falsehood – and a “Dr”. whose clinical practice has been at least as despicable and disgraceful as that of Valerie “Satan Hunter” Sinason.

      No doubt Joan Coleman’s “reputation” would be impeccable within the tiny circle of pathetically ignorant and ill-informed fantasists that you both belong to as SRA True Believers, but that would only serve as further demonstration that she is – like yourself – hopelessly deluded on the subject, and all related subjects.

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  9. Exaro’s David Hencke can disown the concept of SRA no more:

    • Bandini:

      “What else? Well, as per the ‘update’ posted both here & at Hencke’s site we discover that a mere 35 years after the closure of Elm Guest House – and 27 since the death of the woman supposedly at the centre of the tale – they are only just discovering her real name & nationality… in November 2017! ”

      With respect, I’m not prepared to go that far. I have experience with investigating fraud. If the late Carol Kasir (or whatever her real name was) was indeed a compulsive liar, I’m prepared to believe that it is at least potentially possible that it took that many years to find her true identity.

      • Eh-up, TDF.

        “David Hencke is a senior investigative reporter at Exaro…”

        It was Exaro’s deep pockets which finally allowed him to devote his incredible investigative skills to the story he’d already been sat on for five years, supposedly. (I can’t be bothered calculating how many years he’s therefore had to get the most basic fact checked, though imagine he’d need at least two decades longer than we would to come up with a figure).

        This from Exaro’s Marc Konrade to Hencke is pure comedy:

        “Hi David. I just want to clear up one minor issue regarding Carol Kasir. Her birth registration appears to list her as Carol L Jones…”

        Yeah, great to see that “minor issue” resolved, eh? (Note that Hencke’s update has her as “Carol Ann Jones”). Komrade continues:

        “There has long been some confusion about her surname – and indeed her place of birth… … the inquest papers indicate she did have a history of attempting to overdose… … clear that her life was a hectic maelstrom of events, often veiled by a complex web of deceits and lies. Few people trusted what she said, and she let down a very many people in her life…”

        But when “what she said” (allegedly!) came filtered through Fay, Godden & Moss it somehow became the most Incredible True Story – even when they completely changed THEIR story and whatever-her-name-was switched from having been a poor innocent dupe to an “evil bitch”.

        Seriously, it’s all too ridiculous for words – as is this from Hencke:

        “The Satanical Abuse scepticism comes from the Orkney cases. The problem is that like all cases of child sexual abuse – they are very difficult to prove, the survivors are often badly damaged and can easily be ridiculed by defence barristers in court for having subsequent criminal records or drink and drug problems. This doesn’t mean that their testimony about the abuse is untrue but it is difficult to stand up.”

        He neglects to mention that their “testimony” will likely be coming from a padded cell.

        I’m guessing that what Hencke labels as “a fresh source” for the new name(s) is probably ‘someone on Twitter’ who actually takes the time to submit FOI requests and check records like FreeBMD (where I’ve also whiled away countless hours), doing the work of the ‘real’ investigative reporters for free (and to a far higher standard).

        Right-o, must dash – got a Maersk container to fill or summat! (© Dirty Hencke)

      • ^ Points taken, Bandini.

        Not sure if you saw this, but Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, he of the ‘credible and true’ investigations, turned up on the BBC’s Question Time the other week.

        He was also rumoured to be in the offing for the vacant role of the head of An Garda Siochana, which certain people found…amusing.

        Suffice to say, much as there are problems in AGS, some people in my country are not particularly minded to think that Sir B.H.-H. is the man to fix them.

      • “Right-o, must dash – got a Maersk container to fill or summat! (© Dirty Hencke)”

        The plot thickens, Bandini! I see that you are not denying it! CONFESS!!

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