Together at Last: Pastor Terry Jones and the English Defence League

As is being widely reported, Pastor Terry Jones is back in the news, with plans to come to the UK to take part in an English Defence League rally. Jones is famous world-wide for his aborted plan to burn a heap of Korans at his church in Gainesville and for his “Islam is of the Devil” slogan, but he also has some other controversial views: he claims that it is not racist to use the slur “nigger”, on the grounds that it doesn’t apply to intelligent black people but can be used to refer to foolish white people. He also reportedly at one point threatened to burn the Talmud as well as the Koran, although I haven’t been able to find an authoritative source for that.

Jones’ Dove World Outreach Center website has the details:

We are pleased to announce that the English Defence League (EDL), the American Defense League (ADL), and all the international Defense Leagues connected with those groups have confirmed and support our work. The English Defense League has also invited Dr Jones to come to a historic Rally of theirs, February 5, 2011, Luton, England. During the protest, Dr. Terry Jones, will speak against the evils and destructiveness of Islam in support of the continued fight against the Islamification of England and Europe.

The EDL Facebook page is also confirming Jones’ attendance:

The English Defence League are proud to announce our guest speaker for what will be our biggest demo to date LUTON “LUTON Demo update “The Big One” DR TERRY JONES AND STAND UP AMERICA! WILL JOIN THE ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAGUE ON FEBRUARY 5TH, 2PM, LUTON, ENGLAND, TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE EVILS OF ISLAM.” -D-

This “Stand Up America!” appears to be a new project of Jones, and it is distinct from another right-wing group of that name, run by Paul Vallely. According to the website of the of Jones group:

Stand Up America! is holding rallies in major cities all around America. Dr. Terry Jones of Dove World Outreach Center is the primary speaker. The purpose of Stand Up America! is to encourage Americans and the Church to stand up.  In other words, it’s not only geared towards the Christian community, but its geared towards us as Americans to stand up on issues that we feel are important.

It is about issues like the national debt, that our President is running us into at an almost unrepairable rate….

Currently, Stand Up America! is standing up for the Christians & minorities in Islamic dominated countries. In Egypt Christianity is persecuted everyday and America closes its eyes. Even the Christian churches in America refuse to see to the brutality and inhumane treatment of those that do not accept Islam as their religion. Stand Up America! will continue to protest and speak out on these issues as well as abortion, homosexuality, same-sex marriage and other areas that the modern church of today shy away from…

Jones – whose book Islam is of the Devil was quietly scrubbed by the publisher, Creation House – isn’t the first fringe anti-gay religious-right figure from the USA with whom the EDL has made links: back in October, “Surfing Rabbi” (and Tea Party activist) Nachum Shifren was a speaker at an EDL rally in London. Jones’ planned Koran-burning inspired six EDL members to burn the book in Gateshead in September, leading to arrests “on suspicion of inciting racial hatred”.

However, it’s likely that both groups will get the publicity they need, without the EDL having to worry about any embarrassing comments Jones might make about homosexuals and “niggers”: there are calls for Jones to be denied entry to the UK, and given that a number of other extremists have been banned already, it is likely that Jones will be excluded. It’ll then be story of free speech and the supposed “Islamization of Europe” rather than of the preposterous and mutually-discrediting alliance itself.

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  1. […] Richard Bartholomew provides us all of the details and rightly notes that despite Jones’ controversial and potentially embarrassing views, the EDL will garner the publicity they so greatly crave. […]

  2. Meanwhile the UK not only admitted hate-preachers such as Qaradawi, but progressive politicians met with and embraced the guy.

    If Qaradawi is the gold standard, then how can you have any problem with Terry Jones?

    Afterall, unlike Qaradawi, Jones hasn’t been encouraging people to kill Jews, eh?

    If you want to stop hate, then I suggest you place a moratorium on Muslim immigration and deport any Muslim imam expressing and promoting anti-semitic views.

  3. Qaradawi was in fact banned from entering the country in 2008, and he was only coming here for medical treatment.

    Qaradawi last came to the UK in 2004. Can June provide us with a single example of Qaradawi using that visit to incite hatred against the Jewish community?

    In fact, he did the opposite. In a sermon at the Regent’s Park mosque Qaradawi stated:

    “in Islam, it is not permissible to despise any person because of his colour, creed, his nation or his race… We are told that the Prophet once saw a funeral passing by; he stood up in respect but he was told by someone, O Prophet of Allah, this is a funeral not of a Muslim, it is a funeral of a Jew. The Prophet said, is he not a human being? So humanity is honoured irrespective of what religion he followed.”

    The decision on whether to ban an individual from entering the UK should be based on what they intend to do, or can be expected to do, in this country. Nobody has ever made a convincing case that Qaradawi would use a visit to the UK to incite hatred against Jews, so it was wrong to ban him.

    If pastor Jones were coming to the UK to deliver the sort of message about interfaith relations that Qaradawi did, there would be no objection to letting him in.

    But he isn’t. Jones wants to visit the UK for the express purpose of addressing a mob of far-right Islamophobic hooligans and inciting hatred against the Muslim community. It would be quite right to ban him.

    • Terry Jones is a religious bigot and nutcase. He has held joint anti-gay protests with the wacky Westboro Church, the most obnoxious ‘Christian’ group in America.

      Inviting him to England to spread his craziness is silly.

    • Bob Pitt, you have no problem shilling for someone who has incited genocide against Jews. Shame on you!

      Qaradawi:
      “Oh Allah, take this oppressive, Jewish, Zionist band of people. Oh Allah, do not spare a single one of them. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one.”

  4. […] to burn the Qur’an in America to protest against freedom of worship in New York, has been invited to come and address a national meeting of the English Defence League (EDL) in February in Luton. Richard […]

  5. in Islam, it is not permissible to despise any person because of his colour, creed, his nation or his race… We are told that the Prophet once saw a funeral passing by; he stood up in respect but he was told by someone, O Prophet of Allah, this is a funeral not of a Muslim, it is a funeral of a Jew. The Prophet said, is he not a human being? So humanity is honoured irrespective of what religion he followed.”

    awww…

    Did ‘prophet’ kill the Jew in question?

    Mo destroyed the entire Jewish community of Madina, murdering some 900 adult and teenage males, and selling off the females into slavery.

    Although in fairness, he did retain one young, nubile Jewish girl and took her as his ( fifth?,sixth? ) wife.

    Just to prove he wasn’t anti-semitic and all!

    ‘Prophet’ was a definite boon to Madina’s jewish community.

    And Qaradawi’s sick, demented, hate-filled rants are widely available.

    In one breath you tell me he’s been banned from Britian ( true) and in the next you tell me he’s all fuzzy and cuddly ( not true)

    Were Qaradawi the wonderful ecumenical “bridge-builder” you attempt to make him out to be, he’d have never been banned from the UK in the first place, right?

    No, Qaradawi is a Far Right clerical-fascist, and whether or not he encourages jew-hatred when actually on UK soil…he certainly does when not on it… is neither here nor there.

    Qaradawi constantly disses The West and all it stands for, but the moment he has an ache or a pain, he rushes off to the kuffur doctor to get treatment.

    I doubt very much that ‘Pastor’ Jones, not being nearly as hypocritical as Qaradawi, would ever solicit medical treatment from a muslim doctor in a muslim country after having spent years bashing islam.

    He is at least consistent.

    • You want religiously based genocide, June, put down the Koran and try reading the Hebrew Bible sometime. Or don’t Canaanites count as human?

    • What Banu Quraytha did was nothing less than treason, which even today in punishable by death in many countries including the United States.

  6. You want religiously based genocide, June, put down the Koran and try..

    Uh…were I to ‘put down’ the koran, I’d be saddled with a death-fatwa.

    The koran is a disgusting document ( as are all of islam’s core *texts*). At least both the Old and New testaments, due to the fact they’re both products of jewish genius, make for a good read.

    Of course, jihadists respond with some nonsense about the Koran only being good in Arabic, thereby inadvertently admitting that Allah is far from all-powerful, getting tripped up as the poor sucker does, by mere differences in human language.

    Poor Allah can only express himself clearly in one human language, that of arabic.

    And that linguistic limitation applies to so many other bedouins.

    • June let me enlighten you on the ‘products of jewish genius’.

      The Lord is a man of war. Exodus 15:3

      And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people … So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land. Numbers 21:34-35

      And Moses was wroth with the officers … And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? … Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

      And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21

      And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Deuteronomy 2:33-34

  7. Burning the Talmud was discussed in a radio interview on The Ugly Truth Broadcast with Mark Glenn interviewing Terry Jones. (Mark Dankof is co-host of this overtly anti-Semitic broadcast.) This was a fairly confrontational interview with Glenn trying to convince Terry Jones that 9/11 was a false flag operation conducted by Mossad and that Jews are the cause of the moral deterioration in U.S. society, and therefore should be of more concern to Jones. When Jones is leaving the broadcast Glenn asks Jones to also throw a couple in Talmuds when he’s burning the Korans. Jones says “okay” and leaves the broadcast.

    Again, the interview is confrontational and after Jones leaves, Mark Dankof joins the show and openly attacks Jones suggesting that he might be gay. This is another example demonstrating the growing flames of hatred and acceptance of xenophobia in this country are not just a danger to Muslims!

    The entire interview is over an hour but the section referenced is at about 41:30 – 42:30 at http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/2010/08/07/the-ugly-truth-podcast -special-edition/

  8. Ah, I see June is still sticking up for racists, homophobes, football hooligans and general scum on this blog. Funny stuff.

    “awww…

    Did ‘prophet’ kill the Jew in question?”

    Behold the blatant twisting of the point. Instead of acknowledging that the Prophet did a good thing that is part of the Hadith and Sunnah of Islam, the Islamophobe replies with sinister question which is meant to bury positive of what was said in the hope that people will forget it and move on, instead of recalling the event or point to Islamophobe.

    “Mo destroyed the entire Jewish community of Madina, murdering some 900 adult and teenage males, and selling off the females into slavery.”

    Ah, Banu Quraiza, a favourite of Orientalists and now, it seems, of ignorant Islamophobes. What these Islamophobes fail is the entire context and the truth. That is as follows. When the 20000 strong armiy led by the Arabs attacked Medina to commit genocide against the Muslims, the Muslims dug a ditch to stop them from advancing into the city just like that. Seeing how this ditch stopped their army and forced them to try to cross the ditch in small groups, which would then get attacked and pushed back, the Arabs tried something different. The various tribes around Medina, including Jewish, had treaties and compacts with the Muslims in Medina. These stated that they would protect each other and not attack each other. The Arabs, however, convinced the Jews of Banu Quraiza to breach this trust and attack the Muslims. The main Muslims force was defending the city from the front against the Arab army and the women and children were in shelter at the back of the city, near the fort of Banu Quraiza. So what was Banu Quraiza’s plan? To attack those women and children and strike a blow agains the Muslims and to kill them with the help of the Arabs.

    Unfortunately for Banu Quraiza their spy was spotted and attacked and the Arab army was repelled some time later. Now it was clear that they had breached that trust and had joined with the Arabs to commit genocide against the Muslims. So they were given a couple of choices. Unfortunately, the Jews of Banu Quraiza weren’t inclined towards any type of regret over their actions and started abusing the Muslims and the Prophet and his Wives. Then they were given the offer of accepting the punishment of expulsion, as that is the punishment according to Sharia for what they did. They declined and asked for a friend of theirs, Sa’d, a leader of a tribe who had protected Jews throughout its existence, to deliver whatever punishment he saw fit. They said they would accept his punishment, and the Prophet said he would accept it too. The Jews of Banu Quraiza thought he would not give any harsh punishment as he and his tribe were close friends. Unfortunately for them, Sa’d, after witnessing that the Jews had declined the Sharia punishment of expulsion had the gall to celebrate their breach of the compact and trust and abuse the Prophet and his Wives, decided to go the only way left: The Jewish Sharia.

    The Jews had declined the Islamic Sharia punishment but they could not decline punishment prescribed in the Jewish Sharia for what they did, which can be found in Deuteronomy 20:10-18. Had the Muslims lost, the Jews would have carried another Deutereonomy command on them: genocide. But that’s for another time. So, after betraying the Muslims, trying to kill women and children, storm the city to commit genocide against the Muslims, abusing innocent women and declining punishment according to Islamic Sharia, they were punished, by their own friend of their own choosing according to their own Sharia as commanded to Moses by God. Instead of blaming the Muslims, maybe the Islamophobes should lay the blame at the feet of Moses and the Jewish leaders who betrayed an entire city and wanted to commit genocide.

    “I doubt very much that ‘Pastor’ Jones, not being nearly as hypocritical as Qaradawi, would ever solicit medical treatment from a muslim doctor in a muslim country after having spent years bashing islam.”

    Pastor Terry Jones has written some books on Islam. But that isn;t the funny part. No, the funny part is that he himself admits he has never read the Quran or any other book on Islamic jurisprudence, let alone the Hadith. The only reason he denounces Islam is because Islam does not accept Jesus as the Son of God/God. Those are his own words. So great job, EDL Hooligans! After they beat up homosexuals after one of their marches, they then invite a pastor who admits he hasn’t read anything regarding Islam and who himself denounces gays and black people. What else do you expect from Hooligan Scum United?

    “Uh…were I to ‘put down’ the koran, I’d be saddled with a death-fatwa.”

    Strange, I have seen many pictures of the Quran being flushed down the toilet or burned and nothing about a fatwa against those… Strange isn’t it? But, once again, the Islamophobe tries to trick us into forgetting the point and trying to bury it.

    “The koran is a disgusting document ( as are all of islam’s core *texts*). At least both the Old and New testaments, due to the fact they’re both products of jewish genius, make for a good read.”

    Well, well, the truth comes out! Commands of genocide, raping 3 year olds, stoning and more make for a “good read” for Islamophobes. Funny, if those things make for a good read, then why do Islamophobes hate Islamic texts so much? Hehe…

    “Again, the interview is confrontational and after Jones leaves, Mark Dankof joins the show and openly attacks Jones suggesting that he might be gay. This is another example demonstrating the growing flames of hatred and acceptance of xenophobia in this country are not just a danger to Muslims!”

    Ofcourse it is not just confined to the Muslims. Research has shown that where Islamophobia rises it comes bundled with anti-Semitism. This is because it usually comes from White Christians. And White Christian history in Europe is basically genocides and holocausts against Jews and Muslims.

  9. Darn. I keep making lots of mistakes when posting here! Grammar, spelling, it all goes nuts! I blame the colours, Bart :(

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  11. I’d rather not see him in the country but as he will be associating with a crew of BNP fellow travellers it will be interesting to hear what his supporters think of his playing footsy with a bunch of neo nazis. So, on balance let him in as I suspect more damage will be done to his cause and exclusion will give the chance to those who think Britain is becoming islamic to prate on about it further. I’d rather ban the demagoguic politicians who call for the assassination of foreign citizens for not being loyal to the USA.

    • I just wish the media would replay that interview with the Hooligan Scum spokesman about Muslims being homophobic and then show us what Jones thinks about homosexuals and black people. And then show us what the Westboro Baptist Church does. That would be hilarious. But ofcourse, the media won’t want their darling to be hurt.

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  13. I just wish the media would replay that interview with the Hooligan Scum spokesman about Muslims being homophobic and then show us what Jones thinks about homosexuals and black people. And then show us what the Westboro Baptist Church does. That would be hilarious. But ofcourse, the media won’t want their darling to be hurt.

    You leftists are slowly disappearing up our own backsides.

    Islam is utterly disgusting. I know because i first read the koran 40 years ago, and I suggest you get get off your stick, EJ, and do likewise.

    People can see how disgusting fundamentsalist Muslims ( about 40% of the total) actually are, and the dynamic intiated by The Left thast has given rise to the EDL and many other similar groups and political parties all across Europe is now unstoppable.

    I encourage people like Bart to denounce as often and as vigorously as possible any and all edl actions, because each denunciation ony serves to swell the ranks.

    Bart is now a net contributor the growth of a movement he’s trying to quash!

    There’s nothing you fools can do because the consituency you so love to champion will continue to commit more and more ‘Stockholms’, and every time they do, you’ll be stuck doing the grunt for that consitutency, you’ll be stuck apologising for behaviors and acts that are utterly unforgivable.

    Yuo people are so ignorant about Islam’s ugly and repulsive nature that you’ll actually commit to such a futile and thankless job!

    Good luck, because you’re going to need it…

  14. I think the comment from June exemplifies the intelligent and thoughtful tolerance which she extends to a major world religion. As an atheist, my posiiton is simpler – a plague on all their houses as the depth of thier ignorance is only matched by the hatred they dsiplay to all those who do not conform to their narow world picture.

  15. I think the comment from June exemplifies the intelligent and thoughtful tolerance which she extends to a major world religion.

    You mean the kind of intelligence and thoughtfullness “piss-christ”, “dung-mary” atheists like you have accorded Christianity over the years?

    Hypocrite.

    I only extend the thoughtfullness and tolerance Islam deserves, and not a jot more.

    There’s presently a man in Jail in Pakistan accused of blasphemy because he threw out business cards that bore the name “mohammed”.

    Every day in Pakistan millions and millions of newspapers are discarded, and you can bet that each and every one of them have the name ‘mohammed’ in at least one or two articles.

    Thoutghfull? Intelligent? Or just bat-shit, in-bred crazy?

  16. “You leftists are slowly disappearing up our own backsides.”

    I am neither left or right and I am steering well away from your backside.

    “Islam is utterly disgusting. I know because i first read the koran 40 years ago, and I suggest you get get off your stick, EJ, and do likewise.”

    I have. And not 40 years ago either.

    “People can see how disgusting fundamentsalist Muslims ( about 40% of the total) actually are”

    Fundies are disgusting wherever they are. Whether it’s the Shash in Israel, Terry Jones and WBC in the US, the EDL in the UK or Wilders in the Netherlands. They are disgusting.

    40% of Muslims are fundies? 70% of Jews are Fundies. And 80$ of Christians… See? Everyone can make up BS numbers, sweetie.

    “the dynamic intiated by The Left thast has given rise to the EDL and many other similar groups and political parties all across Europe is now unstoppable.

    I encourage people like Bart to denounce as often and as vigorously as possible any and all edl actions, because each denunciation ony serves to swell the ranks.

    Bart is now a net contributor the growth of a movement he’s trying to quash!”

    *Yawn* The EDL is just another group like the BNP. Because these White Christians and Football Hooligans cannot march against the Jews and Blacks anymore, or have all out riots at football matches anymore, they say they are marching against Muslims. And because the Christian world sees Jews and Muslims as the only other “Christ-killers”, But because Jews are now offlimits aafter killing them in the name of Jesus, no one will really stop them. But compare that to any march by a group like Choudrys. If Choudrys group marched around like the EDL, the news would be telling us to look at these extremists and how they pose a danger to us. But not this time.

    But don’t take that to mean that the EDl will grow into some kind of all powerful group. It will collapse. This bunch of hooligan scum is united by their feear of freedom. They know that they can’t do anything to Muslims because there is somethign called freedom of religion and freedom to live your life as you want within the law. That is what Muslims are doing in the UK. So they try to make it about politics, about how the left wing is caving in or bowing down to Muslims even though all that is happening is that Muslims are just exercising their freedom of religion and exercising laws that have been on the books for decades. But because Muslims are Christ-killers and mostly brown, how dare they think they are equal to us! Down with them!

    The EDL will perish and or become a pariah, just like the BNP. They state that they march against extremism, yet their website and the signs they wave do not harm extremists. They only harm non-extremists. Extremists love it when groups do this because they then only have to point and say: “Look! You live by the law and do everything right and still they hate you for what you are!”

    “There’s nothing you fools can do because the consituency you so love to champion will continue to commit more and more ‘Stockholms’, and every time they do, you’ll be stuck doing the grunt for that consitutency, you’ll be stuck apologising for behaviors and acts that are utterly unforgivable.”

    No Stockholms are taking place. All this talk about submitting and bowing down and being taken over is pure nonsene and it’s all in the mind of right wing nutjobs and Islamophobes like you and the EDL. First it was the Jews. Then the Blacks. Now the Muslims. It seems White Christians always need someone to blame for their discontent. Even if that other group is just following the law.

    “Yuo people are so ignorant about Islam’s ugly and repulsive nature that you’ll actually commit to such a futile and thankless job!”

    Chrisitanity has commited, and continues to commit, more atrocities, genocides and holocausts than Islam will ever do.

    “There’s presently a man in Jail in Pakistan accused of blasphemy because he threw out business cards that bore the name “mohammed”.”

    There’s a man in jail right here because his name matches the name of someone we are looking for, beginning with Muhammad. Will you shed any tears for this innocent man in jail? Nope. However, seeing as how Christians have been busy in Pakistan and Asia, ttacking and killing people and flattening villages with bombings, maybe a Pakistani Defence League was set up to track down Christian extremists and they threw him in jail for that? Seems logical. After all, if the EDL is created because some nutjob who is denounced by every Muslims group in the UK marched down a road, surely the effect must be 100x as greater when your country si being bombared on a daily basis by Christians? Or does that not count?

  17. No Stockholms are taking place. All this talk about submitting and bowing down and being taken over is pure nonsene and it’s all in the mind of right wing nutjobs and Islamophobes like you and the EDL. First it was the Jews. Then the Blacks. Now the Muslims. It seems White Christians always need someone to blame for their discontent. Even if that other group is just following the law.

    Puhleeese!

    Spare me the “first-they-came-for” bullshit, sweetie.

    Muslims aren’t the new Jews, m’kay. Do you seriously think the Jews in 30s Germany were flying planes into office towers, blowing up subways and attempting to commit mass murder of Christimas shoppers?

    Your are a Far Right sop, and if you’re not careful you’ll get swallowed whole by Islam they way other Far Right sops like Ridly and Booth were swallowed whole.

    Islamophobia is a myth propagated by a coterie of theocratic fascists ( islamists) and their Far Right ( though they’d call themselves “leftists”) fellow travellers. It is an attempt to portray these rancid aggressors as innocent victims and to appropriate the jewish mantle of suffering.

    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2010/12/08/the_islamophobia_myth/

    And on the 18th of December there’s a conference taking place in France organised by Riposte Laïc. which will discuss and elaborate strategies for battling sharia-creep and islamisation. Many of the conference-goers are ex- muslims.

    Those who aren’t are mostly former leftists who underwent an epiphany, one that I doubt you’ll ever have.
    http://www.medias-france-libre.fr/index.php/chroniques/8-infomations-diverses/912-riposte-laique-qui-interviendra-a-paris-le-18-decembre-avec-oskar-freysinger-sur-lislamisation-de-nos-pays-.html

    • “Muslims aren’t the new Jews, m’kay. Do you seriously think the Jews in 30s Germany were flying planes into office towers, blowing up subways and attempting to commit mass murder of Christimas shoppers?”

      The entire Muslim world condemned the attacks and denounced that terrorist act. But will we hear you condemn the the genocide of the Muslims at Srebrenica? Or the murderous oil-for-food program? Nope. You know what happened during the Nazi’s rise to power? Something similar to what is happening right now: global economic instability. The Wall Street Crash and the Great Depression. And you know what Nazi propaganda said? It published names or bankers that were Jewish and then blamed Germans dying of starvation or the cold on the Jews. Then the Nazis made films, just like Wilder’s Fitna, where they took passages from the Jewish texts and protrayed the Jews as parasites bent on taking over German, and after that the world, and implement Jewish law, which would mean death of all Germans and white Christians. Sound familiar? Yes, it does, because the same propaganda is being regurgitated by people like you. The Nazis used Jewish bankers and various Jewish criminals and then blamed all the problems on them and the governments “sbumission” to the “Jewish Menace”. And then, after all of the persecution of the Jews, when Herschel Grynszpan assassinated a Nazi, all hell broke loose and him and other Jewish people were painted as menaces that were trying to usher in world domination by Jews. Pure idiotic propaganda. But that’s what propaganda usually is. And now the same thing is being regurgitated by people like you.

      You keep brining up the attack on the World Trade Center. Are you just as eager to condemn any attack by Christians and Jews on Muslims? Nope.

      I forgot whether you are the one from Jihad Watch, but if you are, it all makes sense seeing as everyone with a brain knows the connections between Jihad Watch and some of the worst instigators of the genocide of the Muslims in Bosnia.

      9/11 took place and Bin Laden himself admitted in an interview that the attackers and hijackers were not Muslims and had no knowledge about Muslim figh. He admitted they didn;t do it for Islam or anything like that as they never understood Islam. He just said they were soldiers, nothing more. On the other side, because of around 3000 people dying froma terrorist attack that was condemned and denounced by the entire Muslim world, even the Taliban and some other extremists, Christians attacked and invaded another country, illegally, and started a war that cost the lives of 100s of 1000s of Muslims. Muslims were bombed in mosques, hospitals and schools. After that the Christian soldiers drew penises on the mosque walls before burning the Qurans and taking a crapper on the carpets. It was after that that we had these terrorist attacks in the rest of the Western world. After we had killed and bombed people that had nothing to do with 9/11.

      And even now, figures from Interpol show that terrorist attacks committed by Muslims in Europe are low, while separatist groups in Europe have the highest number of terrorist attacks.

      “”Muslims aren’t the new Jews, m’kay. Do you seriously think the Jews in 30s Germany were flying planes into office towers, blowing up subways and attempting to commit mass murder of Christimas shoppers?”

      The entire Muslim world condemned the attacks and denounced that terrorist act. But will we hear you condemn the the genocide of the Muslims at Srebrenica? Or the murderous oil-for-food program? Nope. You know what happened during the Nazi’s rise to power? Something similar to what is happening right now: global economic instability. The Wall Street Crash and the Great Depression. And you know what Nazi propaganda said? It published names or bankers that were Jewish and then blamed Germans dying of starvation or the cold on the Jews. Then the Nazis made films, just like Wilder’s Fitna, where they took passages from the Jewish texts and protrayed the Jews as parasites bent on taking over German, and after that the world, and implement Jewish law, which would mean death of all Germans and white Christians. Sound familiar? Yes, it does, because the same propaganda is being regurgitated by people like you. The Nazis used Jewish bankers and various Jewish criminals and then blamed all the problems on them and the governments “sbumission” to the “Jewish Menace”. And then, after all of the persecution of the Jews, when Herschel Grynszpan assassinated a Nazi, all hell broke loose and him and other Jewish people were painted as menaces that were trying to usher in world domination by Jews. Pure idiotic propaganda. But that’s what propaganda usually is. And now the same thing is being regurgitated by people like you.

      You keep brining up the attack on the World Trade Center. Are you just as eager to condemn any attack by Christians and Jews on Muslims? Nope.

      I forgot whether you are the one from Jihad Watch, but if you are, it all makes sense seeing as everyone with a brain knows the connections between Jihad Watch and some of the worst instigators of the genocide of the Muslims in Bosnia.

      9/11 took place and Bin Laden himself admitted in an interview that the attackers and hijackers were not Muslims and had no knowledge about Muslim figh. He admitted they didn;t do it for Islam or anything like that as they never understood Islam. He just said they were soldiers, nothing more. On the other side, because of around 3000 people dying froma terrorist attack that was condemned and denounced by the entire Muslim world, even the Taliban and some other extremists, Christians attacked and invaded another country, illegally, and started a war that cost the lives of 100s of 1000s of Muslims. Muslims were bombed in mosques, hospitals and schools. After that the Christian soldiers drew penises on the mosque walls before burning the Qurans and taking a crapper on the carpets. It was after that that we had these terrorist attacks in the rest of the Western world. After we had killed and bombed people that had nothing to do with 9/11.

      And even now, figures from Interpol show that terrorist attacks committed by Muslims in Europe are low, while separatist groups in Europe have the highest number of terrorist attacks.

      “”Muslims aren’t the new Jews, m’kay. Do you seriously think the Jews in 30s Germany were flying planes into office towers, blowing up subways and attempting to commit mass murder of Christimas shoppers?”

      The entire Muslim world condemned the attacks and denounced that terrorist act. But will we hear you condemn the the genocide of the Muslims at Srebrenica? Or the murderous oil-for-food program? Nope. You know what happened during the Nazi’s rise to power? Something similar to what is happening right now: global economic instability. The Wall Street Crash and the Great Depression. And you know what Nazi propaganda said? It published names or bankers that were Jewish and then blamed Germans dying of starvation or the cold on the Jews. Then the Nazis made films, just like Wilder’s Fitna, where they took passages from the Jewish texts and protrayed the Jews as parasites bent on taking over German, and after that the world, and implement Jewish law, which would mean death of all Germans and white Christians. Sound familiar? Yes, it does, because the same propaganda is being regurgitated by people like you. The Nazis used Jewish bankers and various Jewish criminals and then blamed all the problems on them and the governments “sbumission” to the “Jewish Menace”. And then, after all of the persecution of the Jews, when Herschel Grynszpan assassinated a Nazi, all hell broke loose and him and other Jewish people were painted as menaces that were trying to usher in world domination by Jews. Pure idiotic propaganda. But that’s what propaganda usually is. And now the same thing is being regurgitated by people like you.

      You keep brining up the attack on the World Trade Center. Are you just as eager to condemn any attack by Christians and Jews on Muslims? Nope.

      I forgot whether you are the one from Jihad Watch, but if you are, it all makes sense seeing as everyone with a brain knows the connections between Jihad Watch and some of the worst instigators of the genocide of the Muslims in Bosnia.

      9/11 took place and Bin Laden himself admitted in an interview that the attackers and hijackers were not Muslims and had no knowledge about Muslim figh. He admitted they didn;t do it for Islam or anything like that as they never understood Islam. He just said they were soldiers, nothing more. On the other side, because of around 3000 people dying froma terrorist attack that was condemned and denounced by the entire Muslim world, even the Taliban and some other extremists, Christians attacked and invaded another country, illegally, and started a war that cost the lives of 100s of 1000s of Muslims. Muslims were bombed in mosques, hospitals and schools. After that the Christian soldiers drew penises on the mosque walls before burning the Qurans and taking a crapper on the carpets. It was after that that we had these terrorist attacks in the rest of the Western world. After we had killed and bombed people that had nothing to do with 9/11.

      And even now, figures from Interpol show that terrorist attacks committed by Muslims in Europe are low, while separatist groups in Europe have the highest number of terrorist attacks.

      “Islamophobia is a myth propagated by a coterie of theocratic fascists ( islamists) and their Far Right ( though they’d call themselves “leftists”) fellow travellers. It is an attempt to portray these rancid aggressors as innocent victims and to appropriate the jewish mantle of suffering.”

      You say this, then you quote an article from a columnist that has won prizes from Zionists for his reporting. Yes, there’s not going to be any bios there…/sarcasm. This argument remins of the classic argument used by so many racists: saying this is not racist/doing this is not racist etc etc while they say and or do an incredibly racist thing.

      Islamophobia is real. It’s roots can be traced to before the crusades, when the white Christians of Europe were baffled as to how Jesus allowed these stinking Arabs to control Jerusalem. Did that mean they had fallen out of favour? That is what they thought. So the only way to gain Jesus’s approval was to fight these barbarian hordes. So they cooked up this myth. The same thing they cooked up about the Jews: they are Christ-killers. Reading the books written by the clergy back then, they freely admit they know nothing of Islam, yet call for a Jihad against them because surely these lowly beings cannot have Jesus’ support.Fast forward to Bosnia and once again the myth of Christ-killers was used to whip the Christians into bloodhtirsty frenzy. What’s disturbing is the power of the Christ-killers myth here: the “Christ” the Muslims were supposed to have killed wasn’t even Jesus! It was a King/Prince who had died ina battle with the Ottoman Turks in which the Turkish leader was killed as well. But the power of the Christ-killers myth became aparent when it the world found the biggest act of genocide since the Holocaust, committed against the Muslims. And some of the people behind those acts, the instigators, are still alive and spewing their Islamophobic BS in the USA.

      “And on the 18th of December there’s a conference taking place in France organised by Riposte Laïc. which will discuss and elaborate strategies for battling sharia-creep and islamisation. Many of the conference-goers are ex- muslims.”

      Sharia creep and Islamisation? Ridiculus notions. Sharia just means religious law. Will we have these kinds of conferences against the Christian sharia that demands an end to homosexuality and abortion? That demands a return to dominion theology or worse? Nope. Becuase it is exactly those people that organize such events as these.

  18. The entire Muslim world condemned the attacks and denounced that terrorist act.

    Bullshit, I saw many, many images of backward tribal savages dancing in the streeets.

    It was victory for team Islam.

    Only the Iranians, to my kowledge held any REAL vigils, and that’s because they’re all sick to the back teeth with Islam

    The rest of your comment is an incoherent rant. You’ve got islam coming our your arse, and so there’s no point in trying to engage you

  19. “Bullshit, I saw many, many images of backward tribal savages dancing in the streeets.”

    You saw a small video from Gaza. You know, that small open air prison where US taxpayers money pays for bombs that fall on them? What you didnt see where the Jewish people dancing as they saw the WTC fall. Or Netanyahu saying that it was a “good” thing. Yes, taht is what he said about the attacks.

    “Only the Iranians, to my kowledge held any REAL vigils, and that’s because they’re all sick to the back teeth with Islam”

    So, Iranians in Iran are not Muslim? I know Islamophobes like to make up stuff about how large populations of Muslims are not real Muslims and want to leave Islam, but please dont be ridiculous.

    “The rest of your comment is an incoherent rant. You’ve got islam coming our your arse, and so there’s no point in trying to engage you”

    I’m an observer. I also read books written by Christians and Muslims during the Crusades. It allows me to see through and reject the BS that people like you just love to swallow.

    PS: Muslim denunciations of 9/11 and terrorism:

    muhajabah. com/otherscondemn.php

    juancole. com/2005/07/friedman-wrong-about-muslims-again-and.html

    Why dont you start there and find the rest for yourself?

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